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Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 15 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 211
Today's Topics:
2 things
Atari for Auction
Desk accessory blues (re-post with corrections!)
German to english trashlator
GIF to SPC convertors - *overscan*
Good database software wanted. (2 msgs)
Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!!
Keyboard Remapping (was Re: 2 things)
Mega Ste and Clab's notator?
mono moniters
Re: Z*Net International
STe SIMM Pin Layout
thanks
TURBO C
using gcc
Wanted/ForSale/Trade
who can fix this in U.K. ?
Why does GDOS/ AMCGDOS slow down midi output?
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Date: 15 Apr 91 00:08:37 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.
edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick
Allison)
Subject: 2 things
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
>>First: Could somebody please tell me the ip# of atari.archive cause I can't
>>get through by the name.
>Are your sure it's available at your site?
I can't use "atari.arch..." or "terminator...", but the IP# works fine for me.
>>Second:
>>I read once that there should be such thing like a csh for the ST. Could
anybody
>>tell me, if that is true and if where to get it?
>There are many shells working in the way the csh does. One of then is Gulam.
>I dont know about an implementation of the original csh to the Atari, but
>one of the other shells should do.
Try out Mupfel that comes with the Gemini stuff, it allows "/" to be used
instead of "\" and has many csh like features. Also, it doesn't remap the
keyboard (which make Gulam useless on my Australian (uk? us?) keyboard).
Warwick
--
_--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
/ * <-- Computer Science Department,
\_.--._/ University of Queensland,
v AUSTRALIA.
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 14:31:32 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!news.cs.indiana
.edu!widener!netnews.upenn.edu!platypus!jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu@arizona.edu (OGRINZ
MICHAEL E)
Subject: Atari for Auction
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Ok, folks: here's the latest update on the bidding. Our
current high bid today for that amazing Atari package is: $550.
Remember, this is your last week to bid on the package. To recap yet
again, it contains:
Atari 520ST w/ 1Meg & mouse
Indus DS drive & a 5 1/4" drive
SCSI host adapter and cable
ComputerEyes Color Digitizer
COlor MOnitor
Mono Monitor
Lots of software
BTW, I will probably be posting a partial list of software later on
today, or maybe tomorrow.
Mike
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 03:43:44 GMT
From:
munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!batserver.cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@tcgould.tn.cornell.e
du (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Subject: Desk accessory blues (re-post with corrections!)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Sorry folks - my previous posting got munged. Here is it again:
I use DESKMG33 to allow me to select the required combination of auto progs,
accs, desktop.inf and assign.sys. It works fine.
But I downloaded OKAMI from Stuttgart, Deutschland (I think) and tried to
run it without reading the docs carefully (my German isn't too good!). It
comes with a prog called GEM.PRG, supposed to give access to *.accs from the
shell. When I ran it, the menu bar didn't show any accs, and the system
froze. I had to reboot (from h/disk). But it went into a non-terminating
loop of auto folder programs load and reboot.
If I selected a setup without accs, from DESKMGR when it loaded from auto,
all was well. But any setup with accs went into the lousy loop.
I thought at first that idle.acc was the culprit, so i dragged it to trash -
and all my files on h/d C: disappeared. When I reopened the C icon, they
reappeared! Weird!
Should I trash all my accs from the h/disk and recopy them from backup? Or will
this risk munging the disk? Do I have a virus? If so, how can I kill it?
******************************************************************************
|| Marshall Harris
Internet/CSnet: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || Dept.of Computer Science
JANET: marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uk.ac.ukc || University of Queensland
EAN: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || St Lucia, Queensland 4072
Bitnet:marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uunet.uu.net || Australia
UUCP: uunet!munnari!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall || ph: +61 7 365 2908
JUNET: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au ||
******************************************************************************
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Date: 15 Apr 91 15:32:23 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.
edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!qut.edu.au!lunnon@arizona.edu
Subject: German to english trashlator
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Um, I'll keep this short,
There was some discussion about a German to english text converter
recently, can anybody remember the name and location of this program
BOB
R.Lunnon@qut.edu.au
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Date: 15 Apr 91 06:37:13 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu-ber
lin.de!tmpmbx!netmbx!perstoro@arizona.edu (Wilhelm Schaefer)
Subject: GIF to SPC convertors - *overscan*
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de (Mick Schmidt) writes:
>Hmm, I've tried BGIF but only in 16 Colours Mode, because my Machine has an
>16Mhz Acceleration Board which won't work together with Spectre Pics. The
>results weren't too good, now I got VIEWGF12 from terminator and this one is
>quite good in 16 Colours Mode, so I presume the SPU Pics it converts to won't
>be to bad either. BTW: ViewGif supports quite a few Pic Formats including next
>to GIF and Degas also IFF and MacPaint and some more.
I have got problems using the spc format too. This is since I built in
*overscan*. This is realy strange. Because it won't work even *overscan*
is turned off. So is there any hope? I realy wou like to get my
256 colors back. This is a lot better then 16. (was :-( )
On the ather hand - is there a way to use, at least, 16 colors while
using the features of *overscan*?
grettings to all of you
-- --- good old perstoro --- --
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Date: 15 Apr 91 09:03:45 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math
.fu-berlin.de!fauern!unido!laura!tommy!klute@arizona.edu (Rainer Klute)
Subject: Good database software wanted.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5459@wucc.waseda.ac.jp>, ytsuji@wucc.waseda.ac.jp (Y.Tsuji) writes:
|> Some time ago, somebody said a database program sold by Regent Software or
|> something was very similar to SQL and was relatively cheap, could anyone
|> let me know the name and address of the software company?
USA/Canada: Germany/Austria/Switzerland:
Regent Software Computerware Gerd Sender
P.O. Box 14628 Moselstrasse 39
Long Beach, CA 90803 5000 Koeln 50
(213) 439-9664 +49 221 392583
--
Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de
Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet
Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663
D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 18:07:46 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!shawl@arizona.edu
Subject: Good database software wanted.
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
> |> Some time ago, somebody said a database program sold by Regent Software or
> |> something was very similar to SQL and was relatively cheap, could anyone
> |> let me know the name and address of the software company?
>
> USA/Canada: Germany/Austria/Switzerland:
>
> Regent Software Computerware Gerd Sender
> P.O. Box 14628 Moselstrasse 39
> Long Beach, CA 90803 5000 Koeln 50
> (213) 439-9664 +49 221 392583
>
Apparently, (and unfortunately), I think Regent Software went out of ST
business. BUT, apparently, a dedicated user of their materials, has
taken it over.
REGENT BASE is really good in many ways. One of the best ways was in the
fantastic user support given by Frank Cohen; such support was important because
the documentation was poor. (To give an idea as to the wonderful support
Frank gave, I was a problem I could not solve; he had me send him my
application; he found a bug in Regent Base itself, made the correction, and
sent me the corrected version! Can't be beat!)
The other problem was speed.
BUT, once you know what you are doing, it is pretty nice. Again, the learning
curve, at least for me, was steep.
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 16:02:05 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-sta
te.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy
Gallivan)
Subject: Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!!
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
|> Okay, here's the root of the problem... I can get both MiNT and MGR to
|> start, but each time I try to open a window in MGR I get this "Cannot
|> get pty" - quite frankly I have no idea what this means and have no
|> way of finding out.
I too would like some help getting MiNT/MGR to operate properly. If anyone
has some info, would you please post it. I'm sure there are many with
these problems.
I also had the 'pty' problem. Apparently MGR is looking for the SHELL
environment variable to figure out which shell to run. If SHELL is
not defined or points to the wrong thing, you get the 'pty' message.
I first 'setenv SHELL ...' and then run MGR and it works ... sort of.
I had MANY, MANY other problems with these programs. They may be related
to the fact that I am running TOS 1.0 (520ST with 4M memory).
1) MiNT will not install by itself, especially from an auto folder.
Most of the time it crashes because it can't install the proper
cookie (or something like that). I wrote a little TSR to install
the cookie and I can get MiNT up after that, but it is a major pain.
Sometimes MiNT crashes on startup because, it says, something is
trying to kill it. Sounds paranoid to me.
2) After I finally get MiNT running, I run a shell (GULAM) and set the
HOME, and SHELL environment variables, then run MGR from the shell.
Mgr starts up, but does not execute the commands in mgr.rc, which
is in the HOME directory. When I create a new window, it starts up
a bash shell, but everything is very unstable. The system crashes if
I try to open another window, or give just about any command besides
'cd' or 'ls'. After I open a window, I can see the cursor blinking
over on the left side of the screen.
3) As an aside, what is supposed to be the default bash startup file on
the ST? I can't create '.bashrc' on the ST, and bash.rc and other
obvious guesses don't work either.
I (and apparently others) would greatly appreciate some help from someone
who has this stuff working. It looks like wonderful software, if it would
only work. Sorry for such a long message.
Tim Gallivan
timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 12:35:15 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintak
a!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@arizona.edu (Ralph P.
Sobek)
Subject: Keyboard Remapping (was Re: 2 things)
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <779@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
writes:
| Try out Mupfel that comes with the Gemini stuff, it allows "/" to be used
| instead of "\" and has many csh like features. Also, it doesn't remap the
| keyboard (which make Gulam useless on my Australian (uk? us?) keyboard).
I don't know about Mupfel, but Gulam comes along with a key fix
program, which inserts your local key map definitions into Gulam.
Gulam works fine on my French keyboard! Or do you want some special
symbols?
--
Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own.
ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance.
ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph
If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU
===============================================================================
Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-|
------------------------------
Date: 11 Apr 91 15:33:13 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!olivea!mint
aka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!knor!johnj@a
rizona.edu (John Janssen)
Subject: Mega Ste and Clab's notator?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <670918973.3@egsgate.FidoNet.Org>
Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org (Shervin Shahrebani Of
250/744) writes:
>I can tell you this much, Notator 3.0 works great with the new Mega STE.
>
>S.S.
Does anyone know if it runs with UNITOR (C-lab's smpty synchronise
unit which must be connected to the rom port).
O boy, I have to wait till May, before the Mega STe becomes
available in Holland, my dealer said.
--
John Janssen Check the email address in the header, as this
J.v.Deventerstr.1 may have been filled in wrong by the system.
Venlo Holland
+31 77 513177 Reply to: johnj@idms.prl.philips.nl
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 09:00:36 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintak
a!bloom-beacon!bu.edu!wang!harvee!esj@arizona.edu (Eric S Johansson)
Subject: mono moniters
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I am thinking about getting a monochrome moniter for my st. I was going
to get atari's monitor but I wonder if that is the best choice. as I see
it, I can:
a) buy a an atari monochrome.
b) buy a grey scale multisync.
c) sell my sc1224 and buy a color multisync
d) lament about all the really good software that runs in mono only.
e) ??? ideas from the net
I need to keep my cash output to about 200$
so, I am looking to the collective wisdom of the net as to what is
the best option for obtaining monochrome capabilities.
Thanks in advance.
--- eric
--
~~~ eric johansson UUCP ...!uunet!wang!harvee!esj esj@harvee.uucp
* * a juggling fool AT&T (617) 577-4068 (w)
o HAM ka1eec
\_/ CSNET johansson%hydra@polaroid.com
or hydra!johansson@polaroid.com
source of the public's fear of the unknown since 1956
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 16:03:58 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid)
Subject: Re: Z*Net International
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <5483@mindlink.UUCP> Bill_Moore@mindlink.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>
> I agree. ZNET is available in a number of different places. Let us
>not waste bandwidth posting it here.
>...bill
Hey,
I used to get ZNET from irisa.irisa.fr, but they haven't had a new issue in
about a month and I was looking for a new site to find it at. Anyone
know where to look for Late March and April?
--
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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Date: 10 Apr 91 05:38:32 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@ar
izona.edu (Juxtaposer)
Subject: STe SIMM Pin Layout
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
In article <2371@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> camm@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Ian Camm) writes:
>Hi All,
>
>I have just upgraded my 520STe to 2 Megs so I now have 2 1/4M SIMM's rattling
>about in a draw. A colleague of mine is working on a project at home and could
>use this RAM. So what I want to know is, what is the pin layout for these
>SIMM's.
I got this from Treavor Peacock somewhere over there in UK: Let me know if
it works!
----------------------------------
____________________ ____________________
| Bank 1 high byte | | Bank 1 low byte | === R90 CAS0HI
| CAS1HI and RAS1 | | CAS1LO and RAS1 | === R93 CAS1HI
-------------------- -------------------- === R94 CAS1LO
-------------------- -------------------- o RAS1 (solder thru)
| Bank 0 high byte | | Bank 0 low byte | === R91 CAS0LO
| CAS0HI and RAS0 | | CAS0LO and RAS0 | o RAS0 (solder thru)
-------------------- -------------------- === A8
=== A6
/ === A3
9*33ohm--< === A0
\ === A4
=== A2
=== A5
=== A1
=== A7
-----------------------front edge of board----------------------------------
The data in/out lines are connected on each chip, so this is the same as on a
SIMM, where they are already connected. The data lines are common between
bank 0 and bank 1, that is, the data line from the LSB on bank 0 connects to
the data line from the LSB of bank 1.
SIMM pinouts
=-=-=-=-=-=-=
PIN# Function. Note '*' means -ve logic.
1 Vcc = +5V
2 *CAS
3 D1 <-- Note, goes from D1 - D8, not D0 - D7. Makes no difference though
4 A0
5 A1
6 D2
7 A2
8 A3
9 Vss = 0V
10 D3
11 A4
12 A5
13 D4
14 A6
15 A7
16 D5
17 A8
18 A9 <-- N/C on 256k SIMMS
19 N/C
20 D6
21 *W
22 Vss = 0V
23 D7
24 *PRD <-- Not on all SIMMS, just pulled low. Best left N/C
25 D8
26 N/C
27 *RAS
28 N/C
29 N/C
30 Vcc = +5V
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Ian
>
>--
>Ian Camm | JANET: camm@uk.ac.man.ee.els
>Dept. of Electrical Engineering | ARPA: camm@els.ee.man.ac.uk
>University of Manchester, England | UUCP: ...!!ukc!man.ee.els!camm
>Disclaimer: If you think I need one make it up yourself.
Hope that helps anyone out there!
-Mike
sig? I can't afford one ....
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Date: 15 Apr 91 11:08:32 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!shodha.enet.dec.com!kboeng.enet.dec.com!heiden@decwrl.dec.com
(Matthias Heiden)
Subject: thanks
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Thanks to all who replied to my question re. HP II printer problems.
I ended up soldering a pnp transistor into the strobe line as suggested
by John Logajan @ Network Systems (logajan@ns.network.com).
This solution has worked so fare fine (and is cheap). Matthias
--
--
digital equipment GmbH heiden@kbomfg.enet.dec.com
advanced system process development
Sudetenstrasse 5
W - 8950 Kaufbeuren (Germany) work: +49 8341 913392
--
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Date: 15 Apr 91 08:22:14 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!hsdndev!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munn
ari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@arizona.edu (Richard Clarkson)
Subject: TURBO C
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
xx
Does anybody know of "Borland Turbo C" being available for the atari-st
in "ENGLISH".....What is the most recent revision for the atari-st..
When and where is it available...Does borland have a mail address....?
Thanks from Richard Clarkson
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 13:41:07 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!toumon!wucc!ytsuji@arizon
a.edu (Y.Tsuji)
Subject: using gcc
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
GNU C is the best because it can become better than the best. If your
MWC is better, then I would just fix the source code of gcc so that
gcc could produce better code sequence as to that particular case that
mwc pointed at. People say gcc is inevitably poor because it does not
look after 68000 adequately because 68000 is now inconsequential. I
don't think so. m68k specific code can be added as much as one would
feel necessary: theres no limit to it. And I must mention the gnu assembler
is very good in terms of determining the shortest branch code etc.
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 01:53:40 GMT
From:
noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.u
h.edu!nuchat!xcluud!prk!root@arizona.edu (Phillip Keen)
Subject: Wanted/ForSale/Trade
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Wanted:
======
Atari 130XE original or 576K
ATR with hard drive controller
40, 60 or 80 meg hard drive
256K or 1024k MIO
Monitor (Preferably color)
Printer
Any other required equipment (other than modems) that is required
to run a BBS Express Pro system.
For Sale:
========
IBM Internal 2400 baud modem $ 45.00 or best offer
Supra 2400 baud external modem $100.00 or best offer
TI-99/4a system (see details below) $OFFER$
TI 99/4a For Safi
TI 99/4a system with TI peripheral box and original SS/SD disk
drive controller. Several game cartridges and tape program
recorder. All looks great; however, it is all as/is conditions.
Don't know what isn't working and what is. Make an offer or will
trade for 8-bit Atari equipment. Leave message here for more details
and I'll get back with you.
Thanks,
Phillip Keen
----
uunet!nuchat!xcluud!prk!root +---------------------------------------+
prkeen@nuchat.sccsi.com | PRK Consulting +1 713 941 5467 [data] |
prkeen@xcluud.sccsi.com | Phillip Keen |
root@prk | 2705 Martin |
| Pasadena, TX 77502-5724 |
+---------------------------------------+
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 06:46:55 GMT
From:
pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!uninet!sievax.enet.dec.com!lerou
x@decwrl.dec.com (Yves LE ROUX)
Subject: who can fix this in U.K. ?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
Thanks to R.LUNNON@qut.edu.au
He help me to fix the problem.
In fact, it was a faulty joystick in port 1. The fire switch was blocked ON.
Consequently, this disables the keyboard and the mouse.
Recommendation:
If your keyboard and/or your mouse doesn't have any action, disconnect any
device in port 0 or port 1 and try a program using the keyboard.
Thanks one more time
Yves
------------------------------
Date: 15 Apr 91 07:36:42 GMT
From:
noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintak
a!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!ahds!geert@arizona.edu (Geert W.T.
Jonkheer CCS/TS)
Subject: Why does GDOS/ AMCGDOS slow down midi output?
To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu
I recently installed a program that uses GDOS or
AMCGDOS. When I did this, some of my midi programs are slowing
down there output to my midi instruments.
I think that only midi programs, that are using
atari's midi out TOS call (as i remember it Midiws() ), are
slowing down there output.
Is this because there are some additional functions added by
GDOS/ AMCGDOS and the ST must search into a table to lookup
some routines, also the ones in the ROMS?
If this is the clue, why can't GDOS bypass the default routines
,which are normally in ROM, immediately and uses the GDOS
functions afterward? It seems to me that GDOS first looks
if there is a GDOS function called and then passes to the
default ROM functions if a not GDOS call is called.
Is there a GDOS version available, which hasn't this problem?
Any suggestions out there?
Thanks in advance.
Geert.
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Geert W.T. Jonkheer
Albert Heyn B.V. Zaandam (NL). UUCP: ..!hp4nl!ahds!geert
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